https://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php?title=Talk:Numbed_by_the_numbers,_when_they_just_don%27t_add_up&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Numbed by the numbers, when they just don't add up - Revision history2024-03-28T19:55:49ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.0-alphahttps://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php?title=Talk:Numbed_by_the_numbers,_when_they_just_don%27t_add_up&diff=13092&oldid=prevBill Peterson at 15:31, 15 June 20052005-06-15T15:31:03Z<p></p>
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</table>Bill Petersonhttps://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php?title=Talk:Numbed_by_the_numbers,_when_they_just_don%27t_add_up&diff=342&oldid=prevBillJefferys: /* Grand Canyon Full of Ice Cream */2005-05-27T20:32:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Grand Canyon Full of Ice Cream</span></span></p>
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</table>BillJefferyshttps://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php?title=Talk:Numbed_by_the_numbers,_when_they_just_don%27t_add_up&diff=308&oldid=prevJerroldw: /* Eggplants in New Jersey */2005-05-26T18:17:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Eggplants in New Jersey</span></span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Early in the AIDs crisis, there was a story in the San Diego Union about a study of married couples where one person was infected as a result of pre-screening auto accident transfusion. The particularly valuable aspect of this study was that the time of infection was established but neither person had any idea that they might have AIDS. The study, while small, showed a much stronger male to female transmission than vice versa. Over many years sexual activity, sharing bathrooms (including, in some instances, toohbrushes), almost no men became sero-positive and less than half the women converted.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">That this infection assymetry was particularly good news re AID's becoming pandemic outside of high risk populations was totally lost on the reporter. Indeed the headline was something along the lines of: "Study shows women at ten times the risk of getting AIDS"</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>68.7.210.100https://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php?title=Talk:Numbed_by_the_numbers,_when_they_just_don%27t_add_up&diff=249&oldid=prev137.250.161.150: should be $800, not $80002005-05-13T11:11:08Z<p>should be $800, not $8000</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>$23 billion, 30 million New Yorkers gives $800 per capita<br />
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--Paul Campbell, Beloit College</div>137.250.161.150